Monday, October 15, 2007

Street Preaching

Had a bit of a run in with the local street preachers in Frankston yesterday, which was a bit of fun.

As soon as I saw them I was just so pissed off, but not in the mood for a debate, so was gonna just leave it. But then I saw a couple of good friends of mine there with the preachers, so went to go catch up with them, and then one of their friends asked me why if I was a Christian that I didn't street evangelise.

So off I went! I wasn't rude or pushy, but made it known I didn't agree with what they were doing, as-among other reasons, it wasn't a way I really saw Jesus do his ministry etc etc. They kept on going on about Paul, I kept on going about Jesus, with different verses flying around (man they know their Bible-I'll give them that. It has actually inspired me to better know the Gospels so as to better be able to refute them, so thats prob a good thing!)

They didn't really understand what I meant about being culturally relevant or not offending people, so that made it a little hard!

For everything I said they always kept on coming back to some sort of analogy about a person walking off a cliff/lying under a car/facing imminent death, and that it was my duty of care to tell them, no matter how I did it. I don't think they understood that I got the stories, but still didn't agree.

It's just such a strong hell based theology, which doesn't fit well with me, and I didn't have time to start that debate. Nor were they happy I didn't have a set formula for explaining the Gospel to everybody, that I would rather listen to their stories and questions first before starting off with my stuff-they didn't like that at all.

Anyways, was a fun arvo, and might go back one Sunday for some more theological debates-was good exercise for the mind!

12 comments:

owl said...

Why refute them? They have their ministry and you have yours. Mine's a bit different again. Even if they're legalistic, it's a different parts of the same body thing. It would be worse, in my view, if the general populus sees division, I think.

Digger said...

Yeah interesting point, I wasn't going to say anything until they started the conversation about it all, so was just presenting my point, which is the opposite of theirs.

I see what you mean about not wanting to appear divisive, but I also think it's a myth that unity means you're not allowed to point out your differences.

Jono said...

I agree with owl, but I still think that it is not the best way to go about ministry. One of the things I really don;t like about the whole ordeal is that it is people like this, who are doing their own form of ministry, that are the ones that non-Christians notice more, and hence form their stereotypes around. And it is even more annoying when people imply that we are being less evangelistic by noting that we do not stand on stool on the street and bash people with bibles, or throw bibles at them, depending on our budget.

David said...

There aren't enough Christians around to do all that personal, relational stuff that might better suit your style.

I've talked to a number of Christians (via the internet mainly) over the past year or so, and do you know what, most of them are more interested in defending their personal integrity than befriending one of the lost like me - one of those who are going to hell. Christians, like everyone else, are just too dam busy.

Christians seem to spend a shitload of time on church activities that benefit themselves, and fuck-all time in the community spreading the good news.

Rabbi Dale said...

Dear Young Believer,

I have been reading your blog a while then the last year I lost your blogs url but just found it again so I am now reading your blog again. I liked what you said before hand but now�. I wonder. I thought you were one that understood real commitment and real daily life with G-D but you seem to have lost the message and heart of the Gospel.

Yeshua/Jesus was a street preacher. He was real and even frontal about where we all will end up at. People paint Yeshua/Jesus to be a nicety nice. True He loved all but he even went out to tell people right there on the streets about His Father etc. Hell was a real message he talked about and yes you better get in and really read the scriptures to see maybe you are off the mark.

I am older than you are and have seen �Christianity� change through the years. It has gone from a family affair to now a being Hollywood show that its just not religiously correct to talk about Hell. Maybe what you felt about the �Street Preacher� was your conscience convicting you and �maybe I need to be doing that�.

It�s time that idealistic Christians/Believer�s in G-D to start to get real with Our Creator. Do you not see the muslims are more real to their god, than we are to Our G-D?

I am proud of the man that he has the gutzba to get out there and preach, you should be so fortunate. The world needs more street preachers and even more people to be real servants as to feed the poor and hungry, clothe the naked, visit the prisoners, help the widow/widowers, and reach down a pick up a child in Yeshua�s name. The �Church has long forgotten that.Matt:25: 1 � 30, Matt 25:31 � 46

We do not need more Benny Hinn, which I personally know. We need more Franklin Grahams and William Booths that understand the bottom-line of Scripture is to love G-D with everything we are and everything we own and to love our neighbors more than we love ourselves.

I am sorry I have to rain on your parade but are you not willing to reach out to a dying world even to the point of making an embarrassment of your self and stand there in public and willing to take ridicule just so somebody can spend eternity with G-D and the rest of us in Heaven.

Is your walk with Our Creator so shallow you push against this? Is there more needs to be saidhere?

Walking toward the True Light and Chalaka of our Faith. Living the Life by the Power of Our Messiah Yeshua Ha�Mashiach/ Jesus Christ.

Sincerely,
(Messianic) Rabbi Dale http://shulonline.blogspot.com/

Digger said...

Yeah maybe ur right David, maybe they're aren't enough Christians around to get to know every single person in the world, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't start with one. But more important than that is being friends without an agenda.

And yeah totally agree with ur point about Christians spending too much time on church crap-amen to that.

Rebel Heart said...

"One of the things I really don;t like about the whole ordeal is that it is people like this, who are doing their own form of ministry, that are the ones that non-Christians notice more, and hence form their stereotypes around."

Hmm, not so sure about that Jono - before I was a Christian I admired that lots, and I hope they keep doing it. It's discussions like these that annoy me TBH (you can find more of it under 'religion' at www.brehaut.net - it's just a whole bunch of Pharisees who think they're superiorly intelligent but it's not our place to judge how much heart street-preachers have for non-believers - the ones here in Christchurch pray for like an hour before they start at 7am in the mornings in town)

Digger said...

Hey Dale, I'm sorry that you think that, What exactly makes you think i have lost the heart of the Gospel? Because I don't want to ram it down people's throats?

I disagree that Jesus was a street preacher. Find me a story where he just started yelling at random people. He spoke to crowds a couple of times, but sat down to talk, and besides-they came to him, he didn't chase them down.

Besides, as I understand Scripture Jesus only ever threatened religious leaders (you and me) with Hell, not the 'sinners'. An interesting thought to consider.

For me it's not about being embarrassed, i really don't give a crap about that kind of thing, it's about doing what is appropriate i our time, which I think street preaching is not.

Maybe I do need convicting on this, but until God does that, i'll stick with what I think.

Cheers. And thanks for the comments and feedback.

Digger said...

Hey Rebel Heart, thanks for the comment.

If you heard me saying that they don't have a heart for unbelievers, I'm sorry, thats not what i meant. There's no doubt they do, I just disagree with their methodolgy.

I do agree with Jono though that they turn more people off, but maybe that's just our opinion-who knows.

The Team @ cornerstone said...

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Hi Digger. Someone who talked with you on the day mentioned told me to visit.

Wondering what you think of J3:16? Amazing hey? How about a bit of context... verse 17 says:
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
This is a great motivator for evangelism. God sent His son into the World to save it. WHY? J3:18
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.... more
Did you see that? There are multitudes of people who are condemned ALREADY because they haven't believed in Jesus. Not many of them are going to pass through the church door to hear the gospel. Even if they did, they might not hear the gospel!

How many people have ever walked up to you (not in this area in which you are somewhat of a celebrity), in the last year to ask you "the reason for the hope that lies within" - or something similar?

I'm an open-air preacher and have been doing this for some years now. This has lead to thousands (no exaggeration) of opportunities to personally witness to people who are unlikely to hear the gospel message otherwise.

Don't you think that our Lord, the High and Lofty One who inhabits ETERNITY (and that is an important point) could see through time to this day and age we are in? Don't you think that if He had wanted us to practice relevant Christianity, he would have included some instructions about it?

You said: i really don't give a crap about that kind of thing, it's about doing what is appropriate i our time, which I think street preaching is not.

If it is Biblical, it is appropriate! It doesn't matter what we think. If the Lord wants us to do it - then do it!
Paul said: Rom 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

C.H. Spurgeon said: "Have you no concern for the lost? Then you are not saved yourself, be sure of that!"

Regarding Jesus and preaching... of course his ministry was to the Jews. He said that himself. You said: I disagree that Jesus was a street preacher. Did he preach?????
Mat 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Mat 11:1 And it came to pass, when Jesus had made an end of commanding his twelve disciples, he departed thence to teach and to preach in their cities.
Mar 1:38-39 And he said unto them, Let us go into the next towns, that I may preach there also: for therefore came I forth. 39 And he preached in their synagogues throughout all Galilee, and cast out devils.

Jesus' sermon on the mount was to multitudes -and it was outdoors. Yes, they followed Him there because of His fame, BUT He "saw" the multitudes! Chapt. 7 says "the people were astonished at His doctrine" so He must have lifted his voice. Why did He sit? Because that was the customary thing for a rabbi to do with his students.

One last thing... can you clarify the comments about taking a "nudie run" that were stated in the paper some time ago? How relevant is that to Biblical Christianity in terms of modesty and not defrauding one another? Jesus said, Mat 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed [the righteousness] of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Our righteousness can only exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees when it is imputed by God through repentance and faith. The result of this is the evidence of the fruit of the Spirit, including goodness (moral virtues) and self control.

Please Digger, in this age when Christians are constantly forced to defend their faith in the light of one moral disaster after another, and one mega-rich TV preacher scam after another, don't make it any worse in the local area.

Mar 16:15-16 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

I don't apologize for this article but do ask you prayerfully consider it. I would be willing to get together with you if you would like.
theletchman

Preaching Jesus Christ, The Firm Foundation

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